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Investment Banker Salary Report: Full Figures Revealed

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Let’s face it: Many people are drawn to investment banking for the money. That’s why investment banker salary and compensation reports like this are one of the most popular topics on this site.

I used to report every year on the latest investment banking salary trends in order to answer the popular question, “How Much Does An Investment Banker Earn?”

And then I stopped.

Luckily, banks ignored me and kept paying out healthy bonuses to everyone.

I’ll explain why I stopped publishing these annual salary reports, but rest assured: this article is about Investment Banking salary and compensation data, including the actual numbers as of 2019, so let’s get started:

The First Rule of Investment Banker Salaries

The “First Rule” of investment banker salaries is to discount most of what you read online.

If you do some Google searches, you’ll find articles that make statements like the following:

“An investment banking analyst should make $155K, $180K, and $205K in years one, two and three (plus or minus $5-10K depending on how good or bad the bank did).”

These reports aren’t necessarily “wrong,” but they are incomplete because:

  • They don’t provide a compensation range – and different banks and groups pay different amounts.
  • End of year bonus amounts can very widely based on the “performance bucket” you’re put into.
  • Most reports don’t specify whether these amounts include just your base salary plus end-of-year bonus… or also the signing bonus… or also the stub bonus.

How Investment Banking Compensation Works

For junior bankers (Analysts and Associates) in investment banking careers, there are five components to compensation: Base Salaries, End-of-Year Bonuses, Signing Bonuses, Stub Bonuses, and Benefits.  Let’s look at each one:

  • Base Salary – Your most reliable income stream. You earn this regardless of whether you’re a superstar or a complete failure – at least until you get fired. Base salaries are $85K, $90K, and $95K USD for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Year Analysts at mid-sized and large banks. Some elite boutique banks may pay slightly more, while regional boutiques may pay slightly less. Base salaries for Associates go from ~$140K to ~$180K as they move up.
  • End-of-Year Bonus – This is a percentage of your base salary, and it’s based on your ranking “bucket,” overall deal flow, and how much other banks are planning to pay. Some banks pay this bonus to Analysts at the calendar-year end and offer a “stub bonus” after the first 5-6 months, while others pay this bonus in the summer after an entire year of work has ended. Full-year bonuses for Analysts tend to be between 70% and 100% of base salaries, with numbers at or above 100% for the top performers. Expect higher numbers at elite boutiques and lower numbers at regional boutiques. Top Associate bonuses are 100%+ of base salaries.
  • Stub Bonus – New Analysts and Associates start working in the summer. They used to receive their bonuses one year after that, but many banks started to pay bonuses to everyone at the same time, which created a problem: How much of a bonus do they award to bankers who just started working 5-6 months ago? The answer is “not much” because Analyst stub bonuses range between $20K and $30K. Associates earn more than that, but it’s still a low percentage of the Year 1 base salary.
  • Signing Bonus – Compensation reports often ignore this one, but most banks pay new full-time hires a one-time signing bonus as well. The range for Analysts is $5K – $15K, with smaller firms at the low end of the range and elite boutiques at the high end. Associates should receive significantly more (a multiple of these numbers).
  • Benefits – Finally, you receive health insurance, vacation days, and potential participation in the firm’s profit-sharing or 401(k) retirement plans. Many people ignore these points, but receiving solid health insurance from a large company is extremely valuable in the U.S., though it matters less in countries with healthcare systems that actually work (Canada, Australia, Europe, etc.).

Beyond the Analyst and Associate levels, the stub bonus goes away because everyone works on a calendar-year basis from the start.

Stock and Deferred Compensation

Base salaries and bonuses increase substantially as you become more senior, but large portions of your bonus will be in stock and deferred compensation – at least if you work at a bulge bracket bank.

The deferred portions often vest over 3-5 years, so don’t count on being able to access that full $1 million bonus anytime soon.

Finally, bonuses for senior investment bankers are much more closely linked to individual performance, though the “formula” is not always straightforward.

For example, if you generate $10 million in fees for the bank, what percentage of it goes to your bonus? It depends on the bank and deal type.

Investment Banker Salaries By Role

Investment Banking Analyst Salaries

Base salaries for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Year Analysts at large banks are $85K, $90K, and $95K, with year-end bonuses between 70% and 100% of those numbers (lower percentages in earlier years and higher toward the end).

Average total compensation ranges might be $140K – $160K, $160K – $180K, and $180K – $200K for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Year Analysts.

These numbers are pre-tax and exclude the stub bonus and signing bonus; add ~$10K if you want to count the signing bonus.

The stub bonus is a negative development because it means you’ll have to wait 1.5 years for the full Year 1 bonus, and you may never see your full Year 2 bonus.

Associate Salaries

Associates earn base salaries of $140K – $180K, progressing up from Year 1 through Year 4, with bonuses of up to 100%+ of those base salaries.

Total compensation might be in the $250K – $400K range, with a lower number in the first full year ($200K or less) due to the stub bonus.

Vice President to Director Salaries

Investment Banking Vice Presidents through Directors (AKA Senior VPs) earn base salaries ranging from $200K to $300K, with bonuses worth 120% – 150% of base salaries.

Total compensation ranges from ~$450K up to ~$700K.

Managing Director Salaries

Managing Directors earn base salaries of $400K – $600K, with highly variable bonuses that might be almost nothing or millions of dollars.

Average total compensation is in the high-six-figure-to-low-seven-figure range; an MD doing decently at a large firm should earn at least $1 million per year.

Again, cash compensation will be far lower at bulge bracket banks because of the bonus deferral, which is one reason why elite boutiques have been on a recruiting tear.

Salaries In Other Groups, Countries, and Cities

Compensation does not vary much between different groups at the Analyst level.

Even if your group’s deal flow is poor, you’re not going to earn much less than Analysts in other groups because it’s not your responsibility to close deals.

Compensation starts to vary more as you move up, and it’s a bit lower in capital markets groups such as ECM than in industry groups or M&A groups.

London Investment Banker Salary Data

After New York, the biggest market for investment banking is London, and Arkesden publishes helpful compensation reports there.

Standard base salaries for Analysts are £50K, £55K, and £60K for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Year Analysts; average bonuses are £30 – £35K, £35 – £40K, and £40 – £50K.

At a 1.40x GBP/USD exchange rate, those numbers equate to lower compensation than in the U.S.: $115K through $150K rather than $140K through $200K.

That’s so much lower that I almost doubt the numbers; Is Brexit to blame? Or is it the bonus:salary cap? I don’t know.

Associates in London earn base salaries of £80K – £120K, while VPs earn base salaries of £140K – £160K.

Total compensation ranges from £120K through £220K for Associates and £250K through £350K for VPs (also significant discounts to U.S. pay).

No, I don’t have the specific salary numbers or any sources for Canada, continental European countries, Australia, Hong Kong, China, Westeros, Wakanda, etc., but feel free to contribute if you do.

I’m not going to delve into private equity or hedge fund compensation here because it’s less standardized.  SumZero produces a good report each year.

Why Does Compensation Matter?

It’s always fun to look at compensation figures, see what everyone else is earning, and then calculate your effective hourly rate while binge-drinking (my favorite tipple is Laphroaig, but it’s an acquired taste).

But I’m sharing these numbers and explanations to make a few other points as well:

Point #1: There Won’t Be Much Left Over Fom Your Base Salary Early in Your Career

An $85K base salary is about $7,000 per month. After taxes in NYC, it’s about $4,900 per month.

You’ll spend at least $2,000 per month on a small apartment, and more likely $2,500+.

So, now you’re down to $2,400 – $2,900 per month.

Then there are student loan payments, meals, transportation, going out occasionally to preserve your sanity, and so on.

Even if you live very frugally, you’re unlikely to save more than $2,000 per month, and you might save as little as $1,000.

Saving $12K to $24K per year is pretty good for a recent graduate, but it won’t make you wealthy anytime soon, and it’s very low compared to your after-tax bonus.

That’s why it’s so important to earn a high year-end bonus, avoid “investing” your entire bonus in Bitcoin, and then to keep moving up, go to the buy-side, or start a business if your end goal is to become financially independent.

Point #2: Investment Banking is Not a “Get Rich Quick” Scheme – It’s All About the Long Game

Let’s assume that you need $10 million to feel comfortable with an “early retirement.”

Let’s also be generous and say that you’ll save 40% of your pre-tax earnings each year (deduct 50% for taxes and 10% for other expenses) and that you’ll need 10 years to reach the MD level. You will also earn toward the top-end of the total compensation range each year.

After 10 years, that amounts to about $1.4 million in savings.

If the markets have performed well, and you’ve invested everything you’ve saved, perhaps you’ll have ~$3 million.

That’s a good sum of money, but it’s not enough to retire at age 30-35 in New York City.

Once you become an MD, you might be able to earn $1 million per year and save half of it; that’s $5 million after another 10 years.

Yes, maybe you could move up more quickly, earn more than $1 million, or do incredibly well with your investments.

But the basic point remains the same: You’re looking at retirement in your 40s, at least if you want to keep living in an expensive city.

Most people would call that a good outcome, but it’s still far from “get rich quick.”

If you want to get rich more quickly, you have to start a business, become a successful investor, move up rapidly in a buy-side role, or use time travel to join Facebook in 2004.

Point #3: If You Want to Make Money More Easily, Go into Tech

As finance pay has fallen, pay at tech companies, especially for engineers, has risen.

You’ll still earn more in cash compensation as an Analyst in investment banking than you would as an entry-level engineer at most tech companies, but the difference is quite small. And once you factor in stock, all bets are off.

Just as one example, take a look at this Google vs Facebook pay report, which pegs the average total compensation for engineers at Google at $191K, compared with Facebook at $205K.

And you earn those amounts with far less work: normal, 40-50-hour weeks rather than 70-80-hour ones.

Admittedly, smaller tech companies pay below those numbers, progression up the ladder is slower, and the pay ceiling is lower unless you move into an executive role, so there are some disadvantages as well.

But as I’ve been saying for several years, if you want a comfortable lifestyle where you earn in the low-to-mid six figures and have free time, join a large tech company.

So, What About Those Annual Bonus Predictions and Salary Reports?

Now, back to that point I made in the beginning.

I stopped writing annual bonus predictions and investment banker salary reports because they stopped being useful – there was no longer one standard bonus, banks started paying bonuses at different times, and pay between banks began to vary.

Also, my strategy of using the bank’s IB revenue growth rate to determine the bonus growth rate became less predictive over time.

I have received many requests for compensation summaries, though, so I plan to keep this article updated over time.

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  1. Great article once again Brian. Not sure if it’s completely accurate, but I’ve read that London salaries are so much lower because while they originally were set during a time when they were comparable to US salaries, changes in the exchange rate and the banks not following suit (as they’re normally slow to act) are still causing them to be massively underpaid compared to the US.

  2. Hey, thanks for the articles.

    I’m joining a banking team soon, and would love to see if you could break out the average analyst salaries at NYC Bulge brackets for different product groups and industry groups (i.e. ECM, DCM, Structured Finance, Restructuring, FIG, etc…). I’m in structured finance and would like to see how it compares to other groups.

    1. It would take hundreds or thousands of hours to gather that much data, so we could not possibly do it and release the data for free. And I have no interest in creating paid compensation reports, so this will probably not happen.

  3. Hi Brian,
    What kind of pay and pay progression do analysts who work in Structuring and Origination for markets in investment banks make? Similarly, what kind of pay do Quants get?

    Thank you

    1. Structuring and origination should be similar to the figures here. We don’t have data on quants, but starting compensation is often higher with a lower eventual ceiling unless you’re at a quant fund or something similar.

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    Much Appreciated

    Hi Brian,

    Thank you for the informative article. I have a question that is off this topic but hope to seek your advice.

    I am recently thinking about stay at UK after I complete a master’s degree there in the coming year. I have completed an IBD internship in a BB in Hong Kong this summer, got the return offer and just graduated from an HK top Uni. Would you say it is very difficult to apply for a full-time IBD position in London given my background and current environment? Any quick advice would you give me to get prepared myself? Or any other role I should consider in this context? Thanks.

    1. If you do a top Master’s degree, you can stay and apply for IB roles in London. But in the current environment, hiring will be way down in most groups and at most firms. Though I’m not sure the situation in HK will be much better.

      Since you already have an IB internship, there’s really no reason not to pursue IB roles in London next. I don’t know, you seem to have a good background already, so not sure what you can do to improve your chances further.

  5. How much do summer analysts make for the 10 week programs?

    1. It’s pro-rated based on base salaries for full-time analysts… so about 20% of full-time analysts’ base salaries, at least at large banks.

  6. Curious as to when the deferred stock component starts to kick in at the BBs? Is that at the VP level?

    1. Also, how much of a discount to the figures presented in this article could one expect at a MM bank? Thanks

      1. Figures are similar for Analysts and Associates. You might start to see something like a 10-20% discount at the VP level and above, but once you reach the MD level, pay depends so heavily on individual performance that it’s tough to give a general rule.

    2. Yes, usually at the VP level.

  7. Hey Brian,

    Very informative article. Just curious – do you happen to have the salary figures (base and bonus) for Corporate Bankers? I have heard that the base salary is more or less the same but bonuses are much lower than investment bankers – do you know if that’s the case?

    Thanks
    Andrew

    1. Corporate banking salaries are much lower. See: https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/corporate-banking/

      Maybe $100K all-in as an Analyst, rising to $300-$400K as a Director.

  8. Hi Brian,

    I discovered this site only today (I am 40, part of me wishes i had done this 20 years back when i was trying to plan my career – my only consolation is that you started around 2007/2008), i really appreciate the honesty and transparency with which you write and answer questions.

    I wanted to ask – what’s your opinion of salaries in IB for folks in Technology ( probably what we would consider Back Office). There are Managing Directors – Technology as well- it does seem obvious that they are not going to be paid the same as the revenue generators.

    Would it be fair to guess ( may be around say $300K in salary, another $150K in bonus) – closer to half a million a year vs the 7 figures or more for a Front Office MD?

    Thank you

    1. Yes, that’s probably a fair guess. Thought I’ve heard that salaries are ticking up higher in technology because of strong demand in fields like AI/ML (but who knows if that will last). Personally, I would still never work in tech at a bank (maybe with a few exceptions) because you’re still treated poorly no matter how much you contribute.

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    GracePref

    Your math makes no sense “Once you become an MD, you might be able to earn $1 million per year and save half of it; that’s $5 million after another 10 years.”
    – Taxes are 50% in NYC. So You only have $500k to live on.
    – A classic 6 apt (2 bedrooms and a small servant/office room) is $8-10k (100K) per month rent $3-5mm to buy,
    – Private school tuition $50k per kid per year (100k two kids),
    – Groceries $10-15k for a family of 4,
    – 2 family vacations $10k and maybe a couple weekend trips if you are thrifty,
    – Clothes, phones, computers, games, etc $10k per year for a family of four easily,
    – Dinners out, broadway shows etc $5k,
    – Insurance premiums, deductibles uncovered medical $8-10k.

    So net you will be lucky to save $250k and believe me I was using conservative numbers for how NYers spend. Even the junior guy math is pushing it saving 40% of your pretax earnings in NYC for 5 years means roommates, small vacations, limited nightlife in dive bars etc. Most junior to mid level people in NYC in finance just breaking even living in much more expensive apartments (a decent 1 bedroom >700 sq ft is $5k per month to rent) etc.

    1. This is an *order of magnitude* estimate. In case it’s not clear, “order of magnitude” for a number like $1 million means “potentially anything from just over $500K to just under $5 million.”

      Some MDs earn exactly $1 million, yes, while others earn more than that, and some, in bad years, might earn much less than that.

      So, what if an MD earns $2 million in the year? Then all your numbers are off because you’re working with $1 million after taxes rather than $500K.

      Then there’s the fact that not all MDs have families, not all MDs are in New York, etc., etc., but the point of all this is very simple:

      Yes, if you make it to the MD level and stay there for a decade without getting fired, and you don’t go crazy with spending, you can probably save somewhere in the low millions.

      However, you are not going to have $10 or $20 or $50 million or something like that unless you also somehow have the time to invest and put your money into a crazy success story.

      If you spend like a lunatic, then sure, you could easily end up with nothing, or maybe even a negative net worth.

      But the point is that in terms of *order of magnitude*, you have the potentially to save, cumulatively, a few million after that much time.

      That may sound nice to 18-year-olds, but the reality is that it’s a massive uphill grind without a *massive* payoff (yes, a few million dollars is nice, but it’s not enough to retire on in an expensive city with the lifestyle you laid out).

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    Christian Kimmerle

    Hello there i was wondering if people are having trouble finding jobs in this field or not. I haven’t been able to find any articles that give a definite yes or on how hard or easy it is to find these types of jobs. Also is investment banking like teaching where you sign a contract every year or is it a normal job where as long as you do good you can expect to have a job all the time?

    1. It is extremely difficult to get into investment banking. To understand why and get all the details, please see:

      https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/how-to-get-into-investment-banking/

      Turnover is high, many people quit or get fired, the job is extremely difficult with long hours, you won’t have a social life for the first few years, etc. etc.

  11. Hi there,

    Ive always wanted to be an investment banker but somehow I ended up working for Big 4, which is still really good and I can assume that I have a chance at breaking into IB as an associate after getting 2-3 years of experience at Big 4 + MBA. ( Based on an article i read here a few years ago)

    I just started work at Big 4 (3 months), Im a fresh Masters graduate with econ/finance degree and zero past work experience.

    Lets get to the point – the reason I want to move to IB is the delicious bonuses you get, as I believe bonuses (and other incentives) are more important than salary. However after reading this article, I got interested in tech companies. I took Apple as an example as its the most valuable tech company and I found a role that I can fit into in the future (Senior Financial Analyst). Couldnt find much info about the pay scheme and share options/rewards.

    Anyway – my future aim is those fat executive bonuses, whether it be through tech company share rewards or big corps cash bonuses.

    What would be your recommended action plan for me? Break into IB at associate level? or Stay at Big 4 for a while and move into tech at a more senior role? Or anything else? To reap the benefits and to have the easiest transition, should I move early – or should I get valuable exposure at big 4 and move at more senior level to get the bigger bucks. Please advise!

    I know its a bit too early as I just began my career – but I would like to have an idea of what my career path should look like.

    Thanks!

    1. You’re asking about completely different fields so there is no way to answer your question without knowing your real goal. Winning a finance role at Apple is much different from moving into IB and staying there. You have a small chance of breaking into IB at the Analyst level if you do so quickly enough. If you wait too long, your chances decrease rapidly. If you want to move to a company like Apple, IB usually won’t help that much unless you go to corporate development rather than corporate finance… so just gain the Big 4 experience and move over.

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    Yanetsy Iturralde

    Hi! Do you collect this data yourself from readers?

    1. We review salary and compensation reports periodically.

  13. Hey Brian you mentioned the pay for the analysts and all the other positions but what about specific groups in the IB? I’m thinking about an MBA from UT Austin or Rice in the future and going in as an IB associate in Houston energy IB’s. Do I get to pick which product group I want to be in or do they decide? Also if i do get into an M7 is it better to go to the M7 or just stay in Texas and go to Rice or UT because of the strong regional connections they have? I currently go to UT Austin and am majoring in economics, graduating next year May 2020. Most likely will find a job in Corp Finance in oil and gas Houston.

  14. What are the salaries for analysts at an ECM and M&A boutique firm in Tampa, FL?

    1. We don’t collect data that specific, and neither does anyone else. But true regional boutique firms tend to offer slightly lower base salaries and bonuses that are about 50% lower than what the large banks offer, so total compensation is quite a bit lower.

  15. Hi Brian, do you have any idea what the standard cash v. equity breakdown is for full year bonuses for 1st year analysts at the top bulge brackets is? Thanks!

    1. Equity? Analysts do not receive Equity. If you’re asking about base salary vs. bonus, base salaries at large banks range from $85K to $95K for Year 1 – 3 Analysts, so you can do the math based on the compensation ranges above (140K – $160K, $160K – $180K, and $180K – $200K).

      1. Is this real salary

        1. ??? Those are figures at bulge-bracket banks in New York. They’re lower elsewhere and at smaller banks.

        2. From what I understand, yes in the sense it does not include the benefits package. Those numbers do include bonus though. So compensation noted here = salary + bonus
          Also bankers don’t get stock options if that is what you refer to in terms of equity, maybe Brian can link to the article on incentive pay for the higher levels?

          1. Yes, the figures here are Base Salary + Bonus but do not include non-cash benefits such as healthcare.

            The figures above for senior bankers include Base Salary + Bonus as well, but the difference there is that the majority of the Bonus there will be in Stock or Deferred Compensation. But there is no separate equity bonus, no separate equity incentive, etc.

            At some of the smaller banks, such as the elite boutiques, the Bonus will be 100% Cash, which is almost always seen as an advantage.

  16. Can you do sales and trading next? I’m really interested to see how those numbers differ.

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    Playmaker

    “So… point taken. It’s certainly not “easy” to get into the big tech companies. But for good students at the upper-ranked universities, tech presents a better lifestyle, higher $ per hour in entry-level roles, and a better culture. The pay ceiling is lower, sure, but most people quit finance before they even reach the ceiling.”

    But if you are capable of staying in Investment Banking for a long run and climbling the ladder, IB is still the place to be for receiving the highest salary? Techs are obviously are a great competition these days, but stil..

    What is your opinion? Or is it really: “All bets off”, heavily depending on your individual performance?

    1. My opinion is that it depends on what you value and what your family background is. If you come from a poorer family and you really want to make a few million to gain financial security, IB is more of a clear-cut way to do it if you can make it to the mid-levels or beyond.

      If you come from a wealthier family and/or you don’t care that much about earning beyond the $200-$300K level, tech is better.

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    Trouble in Paradise

    “Once you become an MD, you might be able to earn $1 million per year and save half of it; that’s $5 million after another 10 years.”

    In gateway cities like NY, SF, and CHI where banking jobs are located, income taxes are 50%. More likely, you are looking at saving less than half of $500K of disposable post-tax income which is only $2.5M after 10 years. Some of that will be in company stock. Ask Lehman Brothers employees how that stock portion of their income worked out for them…

    Compensation is falling everywhere from medicine to law to banking to hedge funds / private equity / mutual funds. I believe even C-suite exec compensation has trended downwards although at $10M S&P 500 CEOs are doing plenty well. ALL upwardly mobile career doors are closing.

    1. “At least $1 million” would be more accurate because average pay is often in the low millions.

      If, after 10 years of earning $250K in disposable income per year, you have only 10 * $250K saved up, then you shouldn’t even be in the finance industry because you’d have more than that with a simple investing strategy that yields only 5% per year.

      In fact, I just did the math for you: at only a 5% annualized return on $250K annual contributions over 10 years, you’d have $3.3 million at the end of 10 years.

      Yes, maybe $5 million after 10 years is on the high side. We could argue about that depending on the earnings, the company’s stock performance, etc. But the point remains the same: IB is not a pathway into super-early retirement in an expensive place. However, it is a pathway into being “moderately wealthy” if you start early and perform well.

      Lehman Brothers is an extreme example to use here… how many other banks have failed in the same way since then? Yes, stock is riskier than cash compensation, but that’s a pretty extreme view.

      Reality does not match up with your views… look at compensation reports for those fields over time. CEOs are doing better than ever!

      There is a case to be made that all these professions will be earning less in the future due to automation, the rise of passive investing, AI/ML, a possible socialist president and socialist takeover of the U.S., etc.

      But if you find compensation figures from 2009 and compare them to ones from 2018, you’ll see that professionals in these fields have only increased their earnings over time.

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    Bob Ross

    The introduction of stub bonuses makes me wonder how bonuses work for the typical analyst that may exit to PE after 2 years.

    Summer to year end: stub
    Year beginning to next year end: full bonus
    Year beginning to summer: exit to PE

    Seems like with this stub bonus, analysts no longer get “bonused” for those six months between the beginning of the year to when they exit?

    1. Yes, the introduction of stub bonuses means that you could lose out on a full bonus in one or more periods. Everything about the finance industry has gotten worse over the past decade.

  20. Well. Working in Hong Kong probably provides a better financial outcome for junior bakers given the low tax rate and relatively cheaper living cost. In addition, BBs in Hong Kong offer higher base salary ( at least at first year associate level for a fresh MBA graduate) and housing stipend.

    1. I agree about the lower taxes, but I don’t think the cost of living is cheaper… and housing stipends seem to be less common/generous in HK these days.

  21. Thanks for sharing the information! Could you also comment on the pay ceiling between finance and tech industry? I fully agree with you that tech companies are offering better culture and the pay is higher especially for junior roles. However, does it also increase as quickly as the bankers? Is it even possible to get $1M total compensation at a tech company? If so, how many years of experience would it require?

    1. No, pay increases are slower, and you need to be quite a bit more senior to reach the $1 million total compensation level. That is one major downside. You might get to that level in 5-10 years in finance; it might be double that amount of time (or more) in tech. But it depends heavily on the company you’re at, your role, etc. If you’re a top sales rep, you can get there pretty quickly in tech; if you’re on the engineering or product management side, it will take a lot longer because you do not directly generate revenue.

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    Michael Pedneault

    Your salary figures for all levels seem to be between two and three times the reality. According to Glassdoor or Indeed, which have hundreds of reported salaries, the truth is more like :

    Senior Vice President salaries – 210 salaries reported – $159,212/yr
    Investment Banking Analyst salaries – 169 salaries reported – $76,061/yr
    Director salaries – 168 salaries reported – $204,100/yr
    Associate salaries – 168 salaries reported – $115,454/yr

    1. Nope. Normally I would not even reply to a comment like this, but others might be confused about the Glassdoor figures as well, so here goes:

      1) The Glassdoor figures are *base salaries.* A huge component of your compensation in investment banking is the year-end bonus, which those figures do not include.

      Let’s do a quick comparison between those figures and the base salaries reported in this article:

      a) Analysts – $85K-$95K vs. $76K
      b) Associates – $140K-$185K vs. $115K
      c) SVPs – $200K vs. $159K
      d) Directors – $300K vs. $204K

      Even if you take those numbers at face value, they are clearly not “between two and three times the reality.” Our *base salary* figures are higher than theirs for fairly simple reasons described in points #2 and #3 below:

      2) The Glassdoor figures represent data collected from *all* banks, even tiny, 2-person boutique shops. Salaries and bonuses are almost always far lower at those firms for obvious reasons (size matters).

      By contrast, our pay figures represent what you might earn at mid-sized (middle-market) to large (bulge-bracket) and elite-boutique banks. Most readers of this site will end up working at one of those, and the base salaries and bonuses tend to be higher.

      3) The Glassdoor figures are on a trailing basis, i.e. they reflect older data points from before salaries increased. For example, for a long time, IB Analysts earned $60K, $70K, and then $80K… but then banks bumped up salaries by $10K, and then they increased base salaries again.

      Associate salaries have also been bumped over time. A long time ago, base salaries did start at $100K there, but that has increased over the years. Without knowing the dates for all of Glassdoor’s data points, it’s impossible to say how much their data reflects the environment in 2018.

      4) Finally, check some other sources that do real industry surveys instead of just asking random people online… they’ll all be close to the numbers here:

      https://www.pageexecutive.com/sites/pageexecutive.com/files/Front%20Office%20Banking%20and%20Asset%20Management%20Salary%20Survey%202018.pdf (Page 10)
      http://twgco.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2016-TWG-Comp-Report.pdf
      https://www.arkesden.com/compensation-reports#.W0XdkNIzaUk

      1. Are there any other recent NYC compensation surveys/reports?

        1. New reports are issued each year… Google some of those firms names and the year number. Compensation figures don’t change dramatically each year, so we usually update this data every few years (barring a financial crisis, massive recession, etc.).

  23. Brian,
    I disagree with your assertion that tech companies are the way to go for easy money. The HR director for google, Lazlo block, published a report which indicated that google has only a 0.2% acceptance rate for jobs. For comparison, Goldman-Sachs claims that they have a roughly 3% acceptance rate for jobs. This makes Goldman-Sachs approximately 15 times less selective than google. Furthermore, at a tech company, for companies like google and facebook, you are expected to walk into the interview with years of technical experience and knowledge on the spot, rather than learning it on the job. Google would expect to to be one of the most capable software engineers on earth to justify this salary. The statistic for the average base pay is skewed higher than it would actually be for fresh college graduates because there are many old and experienced engineers at google. As an analyst, you are likely extremely young and fresh out of college, but as an engineer, you could just as well be 22 as 42. This is why I believe that tech companies are not an easier way to make money. Otherwise, thank you for the insightful article.

    1. I don’t like debating people online, but since I’m procrastinating on something else, I’ll respond:

      1) You have to compare similar types of jobs. Is that 0.2% acceptance rate for all jobs? Just entry-level software engineering ones? All software engineering ones? And then is the Goldman Sachs 3% acceptance rate for all jobs? Just investment banking? Front/mid/back office? The acceptance rate will obviously be higher if you include front, mid, and back-office roles in addition to front-office IB ones, which are the most competitive.

      Companies like to spin their numbers to make themselves sound more elite, so you should take them with a grain of salt. If you have externally gathered numbers for the acceptance rate in entry-level PM and engineering roles at large tech companies vs. front-office investment banking jobs at the large banks, I’ll believe those.

      2) You have to compare the options for similar types of candidates. Most of readers of this site attend relatively-good-to-top universities and, therefore, have a lot of options. A science or engineering student at a top 10 university in the U.S. could easily work at Google or Facebook or at a large bank if they prepare far enough in advance. Plenty of classmates at Stanford who were not-so-competent found positions at those companies, and that’s when the companies were smaller and more selective.

      “One of the most capable software engineers on earth?” I know a lot of people who worked at those companies, and very few fell into that category. Capable, yes, but not genius-level.

      3) Entry-level compensation for engineers at these companies is well-known. Yes, entry-level pay may be lower than the averages above, but the point is that the gap between finance pay and tech pay has shrunk over time. It’s hard to justify working twice as many hours in finance unless there’s a big pay bump.

      So… point taken. It’s certainly not “easy” to get into the big tech companies. But for good students at the upper-ranked universities, tech presents a better lifestyle, higher $ per hour in entry-level roles, and a better culture. The pay ceiling is lower, sure, but most people quit finance before they even reach the ceiling.

      1. Hi Brian,

        When you say “work in tech” what functions of the tech companies are you describing? You present a fantastic argument for working in tech over IB, but as the majority of your readers possess finance skills not software engineering, what kinds of roles do you see them targeting at the high-paying tech companies?

        Btw I love reading your site. In my 3rd year at a Canadian university, and one of the scariest things about career planning is sourcing the correct information. Your writing helps calm that stress immensely.

        Best wishes.

        1. Not necessarily engineering, it could be project management, sales/marketing, corporate finance, etc. Engineering jobs pay more, especially at the entry level, but there are other options.

  24. Numbers in the UK looks right. Not due to brexit or anything like it, this is just the case.

    But you can also add that in the UK people have 25 days of holidays + more bank Holidays + relatively cheaper cost of living.

    1. Thanks for adding that. Who needs vacation, though? This is finance. Work until you die! (sarcasm)

  25. How are numbers looking in the public finance group of a BB?

    1. I have never found good/reliable numbers for public finance teams, unfortunately. I would imagine that bonuses are a bit lower at the Analyst level and significantly lower for more senior staff due to the nature of the work and inability to charge high fees.

  26. London’s discount appears to be so large now as there was a 1.60x GBP/US only a couple of years ago pre-referendum

    1. Yup, that is true. Though even at that higher exchange rate, it’s still a discount to U.S. pay.

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    Hortensius

    Analysts in Australia get something like the below (although there is material variance between banks):

    in AUD:
    1st year is $100-120k base plus $40-70k bonus;
    2nd year is $120-140k base plus $70-90k bonus;
    3rd year is $140-160k base plus $90-110k bonus

    Big step up for associates after that but also a huge amount of variance between banks (only 2 banks in Aus are genuinely profitable, Mac and UBS)

    A$ is currently around 0.77US$

    1. Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Interesting that there seems to be less of a discount to U.S. compensation than in London…

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