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How to Break Into Investment Banking If You Have a 3.0 GPA, Graduated from an Unknown School, and Only Recently Learned English

How do you break into investment banking if you don’t have a 4.0 GPA from an Ivy League school?

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For one, you don’t use the “typical” strategies. You need to think less like the average person breaking in and more like a ninja – like the readers in the video above did. Here’s a summary in text form:

Case Study #1: Recent Immigrant at Non-Target with 0 Finance Experience

Here’s his story:

  1. Immigrated to US 4 years ago with minimal knowledge of English at the time – nowhere near enough to work in finance.
  2. Went to an unknown state school with few alumni in finance and no on-campus recruiting.
  3. Had 0 finance experience when he went to look for internships – just the standard on-campus part-time jobs.

That background definitely puts you at a disadvantage – and you’re even worse off if you’re using the wrong strategies:

  1. Poor Positioning – From this background you need to spin and make relevant non-work experience seem like work experience – so if you’ve gone through a bulge bracket training workshop that only lasted a few weeks, that needs to be front-and-center anyway.
  2. Applying Online – This is useless most of the time anyway, but even more so when you’re coming from a non-traditional background.
  3. Mass Cold-Emails – If you have a blue-chip background and brand names on your resume, maybe they’ll respond… but bankers mostly ignore emails.

What Worked

Realizing this was not working, he changed his strategy:

  1. Proper Positioning – Exaggeration is key from this type of background, so he highlighted the workshop experience and minimized his “real” work experience.
  2. Cold-Calling – By using the scripts and templates in The Investment Banking Networking Toolkit, he got a much better response rate. It’s hard to pitch your story properly over email or online – they’re too impersonal.
  3. Being Direct with Alumni – If you only have 1 month before internships begin, forget about “getting to know” them and ask for the job. There were only a few alumni in finance from his school, but that actually helped him in this case: he stood out because hardly anyone else ever contacted them.

The result: 2 finance internship offers, plus “soft offers” from others he had contacted while networking.

Get the full story and see the email where he explains everything right here.

Case Study #2: Recent Graduate from Non-Target with 3.0 GPA

This reader was even worse off:

  1. Non-Target State School – No alumni network to tap into, and no banks that recruited on-campus.
  2. 3.0 GPA – Not terrible, but not good enough to get into banking through the normal channels. Most places don’t pay attention to you if you have under a 3.5.
  3. Already Graduated – He was out of school for a month before he started seriously looking for jobs. Oops.

So coming from this background, how do you even start recruiting? You apply online to hundreds of banks, of course! And you use other ineffective strategies:

  1. Not Filtering Your “List” – You need to track your networking efforts, but you also need to target the right firms – big mistake to aim for bulge bracket and middle-market banks with this background.
  2. Applying Online – It was even more useless here. But it was easy – the barriers to entry are low, so why not just apply to 150 places?
  3. Doostang – I get a LOT of questions on this one. As this reader found out firsthand, it was useless for investment banking jobs because he got a 0% hit rate from the dozens of applications he submitted.

Doostang might work well if you’re coming from more of a “blue-chip” background – but if you don’t have brand-name schools and company names on your resume, you’re at a big disadvantage.

Just look at their “Success Stories” page: Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale… what about the unknown state schools?

They’re not there – because applying online only works if you look “impressive” on paper.

What Worked

Realizing all of the above, this reader signed up for Breaking Into Wall Street and for the Investment Banking Networking Toolkit when we released them in April and changed his strategy accordingly:

  1. Regional Boutiques – You need to filter your list with this type of background – start out somewhere local, and then make the lateral move when you want to move up.
  2. Cold-Calling MDs – He got a 50% response rate from Managing Directors at local boutiques – and no one outright rejected him. Going to the MDs first was a smart strategy, because they decide who gets interviews and offers.
  3. My Calling Scripts – Yes, yes, this one is tongue-in-cheek. But here’s the quick takeaway: if something works, use it. Too often you try to re-invent the wheel, but with networking and cold-calling, use what has gotten other people interviews and offers.

The result: 2 summer internship offers. I emailed him the other day to check in and learned that he’s now a full-time investment banking analyst at the firm he worked at over the summer.

Get the full story from him and read his email right here.

How to Ninja Your Way In

It’s not difficult, but you do need to think outside-the-box and do things differently from the average person with perfect grades at an Ivy League school.

M&I - Brian

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  1. Hi,

    I am 24, have a Bachelor in Economics and just graduated in January from a MSc Finance in a top 10 university in the UK. I am currently working (1 year experience) as Investment Analyst in a local real estate investment company in Europe because I needed some work experience to put in my CV.
    What do you suggest I can do now to break into IB? Will they consider my experience relevant? And would I still be eligible for some internship?

    Thanks a lot!

    1. Yes. There are some tips here on moving into other roles:

      Go for real estate/gaming/lodging groups or ones that also depend heavily on properties, such as retail. Spin your experience into sounding like it was broader than it actually was and describe the overall impact on companies’ results just from properties they invested in/developed/sold etc.

  2. SuddenlyEnlightened

    I’m about to enter my junior year at a Canadian school that has two undergrad business programs where one is a target for Bay St. and Wall St. firms while the other is a semi target for Bay St. firms – I’m in the weaker one. I’ve only now taken interest in finance (even though I’ve been pursuing a finance major this whole time) and my GPA is at a 3.0 at this time. What can I do so that in 5 years (so when I’m 3 years out of school) I can find myself in at least a Canadian BB firm?

    My ECs are I’m active in a fraternity that does lots of community service and 200-400 people events and I’ve completed summer internships in accounting, sales, and marketing, all at the same non-finance company. My fraternity’s chapter does not have many alumni in investment banking yet so I’m unable to leverage the connections that other more established fraternities have as far as I know. I’m willing to do just about anything – I just want to know how I can break into the industry.

    Thank you.

    1. Boost your GPA. Start reaching out to new people via LinkedIn/email and set up informational interviews. Get an unpaid or school-year internship at a local boutique.

  3. Hey there, I am of 20 now and my graduation is about to be completed in a month. I have a dream to be a investment banker and work for big banks like Goldman Sachs and all. And I haven’t got good percentile on my entrance exams for MBA. Therefore I want be getting any good colleges this year. What should I do now. Should I get a internship in investment banks to get the experience or something else. As I know nothing how an investment banker. And also suggest me ways to brush up myself for the betterment of my Future.

  4. Hi there, I’m a junior at Tulane and just recently decided on investment banking. As of now I have a 3.25 GPA that I’m confident I can raise, and no finance related internships on my resume, although I do have a few marketing internships with startups. Do you think I should try to transfer to a target in the spring or fall of next year? Or should I focus on networking now through alums, on campus orgs, LinkedIn, etc? And should I aim for BB banks at this point or focus on boutiques? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


    1. Because of the speed of the recruiting process as of 2017 (, you do not have much of a shot at IB roles if you’re already a junior, have lower GPA, and have not yet started recruiting. Your best bet is to think about related roles such as ones at Big 4 firms, corporate finance rotational internships, etc., or if you don’t want to do that, think about a Master’s in Finance program at a top school to give yourself more time for internships. Don’t even bother with a transfer at this stage because recruiting starts too early for a transfer to make sense.

  5. Just curious, I’m in a private wealth management intern position currently and was looking for IB internship positions next summer (mostly boutiques) I went to a private non-target school. Is my best bet cold calling and do you think IB’s will laugh at my PWM experience?

    1. Yes, cold calling or cold emailing, or alumni if there are any from your school (but I’m assuming there are not). Banks generally do not care about PWM experience, but there are ways to spin it, and you can do extra work on your own outside school/work to make it more relevant (see my other response to your other comment).

  6. Quick question. I am a junior at the #1 school for entrepreneurship in the US. Really want a solid finance internship this summer at a reputable bank/ financial institution. I am a varsity athlete and dual citizen as well, which makes it difficult to maintain a high GPA at a school that is already extremely difficult. (3.1) I had a sophomore internship with a very reputable PE shop. What are the odds of landing a junior year position at one of these institutions?

    1. With that GPA, it will be difficult to win an offer at a large bank. You can do it with enough networking, but you need to show some serious improvement toward a 3.5 most likely (And bankers don’t care about excuses or justifications for a lower GPA).

  7. I’m posting on here because after my most recent set of finals my GPA took a hit and I’m very worried about recruitment for next year. I just finished my sophomore year, and after this semester will have a GPA between 3.0 and 3.1, and what’s worse is that I just received a D+ in Intermediate Micro II because I bombed the final. I go to Duke University, and am a Econ major with minors in Mathematics and Political Science. My work past work experience includes 2 years in retail sales along with 2 medical internships: 1 in high level cancer research and the other in data analysis (of which I am being named as a co-author in two papers). From my early experience in finance recruiting it doesn’t seem to matter if you have a GPA below 3.3. I really don’t know what my next step should be. What can I do to secure an internship for my Junior summer that will propel me into the finance world?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I’d focus on networking with alums and boutique/3-tier banks. I wouldn’t focus on bulge brackets or elite banks given their strict GPA requirements. A few more links that maybe useful to you:

  8. Hi there. I currently attend Schulich School of Business in Toronto Ontario, Canada. I am in second year and will have a projected GPA of 2.9 by end of second year and am very confident can raise it to 3.2 by end of four years.

    Not sure if you are aware of Schulich, but it is considered a prestigious school in Canada and is globally known for its MBA. I was wondering if the school will help me at all in compensating for my GPA when trying to enter IB?

    Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I’d say 50/50. Work experience probably matters more so when you’re trying to compensate for your GPA.

  9. Hi, I’m not an American citizen and I’m also not living in USA, but would like to work in an investment banking in USA. Does not having a working visa lowers my possibilities of breaking into any investment bank (including boutiques) a lot?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      Unfortunately, this maybe the case, because banks don’t always want to sponsor visas, but I wouldn’t let this stop you from applying.

  10. Hi, I just had a couple question regarding converting GPAs. For my school, our GPAs are out of 4.33 (my GPA is 3.90/4.33). Is there a source that you recommend how to convert this into a scale that’s out of 4.0?

    Also, just to note, my average is 84%. But when I googled standard GPAs out of 4.33, this only corresponded to a 3.6-3.7/4.33 GPA. Why is that?


    1. M&I - Nicole

      I don’t know of other sources, but I’d list your GPA with 4.33 I am not 100% sure regarding your last question, I may speak with your school about this.

  11. Hi, along with the low GPA I have many constraints, but wonder if there is any way that I can break into IB. I would really appreciate it if you could share you opinion.

    I graduated from a top 5 uni with a quantitative degree and an average 3.0 GPA. I have previously done a finance internship in industry and then back office internship at BB, where I learned that I was interested in investment banking. I was an international student on visa and now I am home in Asia. Since graduation, I applied to local banks for a full time job but I was all online rejected. (I recently learned that they manage some DB of applicants and there is a reasonable chance I won’t be considered in any way in the next 1-2 years. Plus I can’t network to get pass the online application stage because HR here plays a bigger role to prevent such “unfair” game.) BB here don’t recruit many, like 0-10 juniors a year (most likely 1-2, similar for internship)
    I am currently interning in strategy consulting, but I am based in a small town for project, and it doesn’t provide me with the access to the networking pool I need.
    I think my better chance is to move to a more international place in Asia, where capital market is bigger (but I’d need a visa). I think the official IB recruiting cycle has already started in those places and if I apply now, I won’t be too late.
    1) I wonder if I have any realistic chance of getting into structured graduate programs in SG/HK and if starting to network now would help?
    2) Given the time constraint, is it a good idea to call HR? Is linkedin cold emailing the best way to online-contact bankers?
    3) Would boutiques be less willing to hire me because I’d need a visa?

    Thank you for all the help.

    1. 1) Potentially, yes, but your GPA will hurt you, so it’s probably better to focus on smaller firms and network there.

      2) You could call HR, but again, given your GPA it might be better to focus exclusively on smaller firms.

      3) Generally yes, but you can find some that will sponsor a visa depending on the country… often it’s easier to get a visa in those countries than it is in the US.

  12. I am currently a Junior at the University of Tennessee. I am a Finance major with a minor in Accounting. I have a 3.8/4.0 GPA. I am currently the Treasurer of my fraternity where I manage over $350,000 in funds. I also hold leadership positions in four other campus organizations. I am also a member of many honors societies and clubs. However, I have not yet had an internship in the financial field. I am trying to obtain an internship for the summer of 2016. I know I am qualified, but my school is obviously not a Top 20 school in the northeast. How do you suggest I go about breaking my way into Wall Street? I essentially have 0 connections to any financial institution which is a huge problem. Please help.

    1. I also manage my own portfolio through an online Brokerage. I currently have a total return rate of 103% through buying and selling options.

    2. Network. Start cold calling and cold emailing local firms, find alumni from your school who work in finance, ask older students for tips, etc. It will take a lot of work if you’re coming from a non-target school… see all the case studies on this site.

  13. Hi,

    I just had a couple of quick questions in regards to my gpa and sophomore internships. At the moment, I am in the first semester of my sophomore year and have a 3.4 cumulative GPA owing to 2 B- grades my freshman year (Stats and Managerial Biz course). This semester seems to have started of well and I believe I can pull my gpa up to around 3.5 – 3.6 by the end of this semester and if all goes well 3.6+ by the end of my sophomore year.

    a – Would a 3.5+ gpa from USC Marshall make the cut for a sophomore internship at a regional boutique bank or small private equity firm?

    b – For the interviews for a sophomore summer internship, do I have to be well informed on valuation methods (DCF, multiples etc), LBOs etc?

    c – How important is landing a sophomore summer internship in landing a summer internship with one of the buldge brackets in your junior year?

    d – Is it true that once you have passed the 3.5+ threshold, your gpa and resume in general does not matter much relative to your performance in the interviews? I have some connections I may be able to utilize and get past the screening stage …

    Thanks for all the help.

    1. M&I - Nicole

      a. Yes
      b. Not necessarily for sophomore internships, but it can be useful to start knowing a bit for your junior internships
      c. It can most definitely help you land your junior year internship so it is quite important
      d. Yes

      1. Nicole, thanks for the quick reply. Speaking of sophomore internships, I applied out of uni and was called for a phone interview next week with a boutique bank.

        Do you have any advice on what type of questions they may ask; mostly behavioral or could there be some technicals as well? If yes, what type of technicals particularly? I have a week to prep for the interview and wanted all my bases covered.

        Thanks for the help.

        1. M&I - Nicole

          It is hard to say since we are not familiar with your experience, but this should help you:

        2. M&I - Nicole

          I’d say they may ask you some behavioural questions. If you’re a sophomore I don’t think they’ll drill you on your technical questions. may also help you.

  14. Hello. I am a senior, economics student at an HBCU. I have a 3.0 GPA and have studied abroad several times, worked a marketing internship, and at an Insurance company as a sales representative. My GPA is low due to personally being quiet in classes (hindered my grades) as well as a few challenging courses. Because I will not make the cut for firms, is it wise to commit to another profession?

    1. If you’re already a senior and haven’t done any prep for finance roles, yes, I would focus on other fields for now and see if you can transition in later.

  15. Hi

    I studied B.s engineering and MBA-Finance from a top university in Iran. I graduated 1 month ago and I’m working in Iran’s best Investment bank as an analyst. I really want to work in large Investment banks abroad. but as you said before, in investment banking you should be even better than native speakers! I’m good at English but as you said that, I’m worried now. Is their any way to break into a small boutique in USA as a foreigner?
    another question is that, Is their any way to work in a small boutique without US degree?
    If I plan to study in US, I should apply for a PhD in Finance, but as you said no one in IB gives a shit for this degree!! I can not afford masters or MBA.
    please show me a way, apply for PhD in Finance or apply wright away with my degree to small boutiques?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      Yes I’d say a target school in US would help you most. Hard to break into banks in US without visa, unless you transfer internally. If PhD is what you can afford, and it is a target PhD that gives you a one-year CPT visa in the States after graduation then yes it will increase your chances quite significantly. Best to speak with career centres at the PhD programmes you’re applying to, but I’d think the PhD is better than networking with small boutiques in US especially since most small boutiques won’t sponsor non US citizens and H1B visa can be competitive.

  16. Hello,

    I am an rising senior Economics major and Business Admin minor at a target HBCU (yes, I am a minority as well as female). Currently, I have a 3.18 GPA, due to mainly to a rough junior year which did some major damage, previous semesters I have earned mostly A’s and some B’s. I calculate it and if I can maintain a 4.0 GPA for my last two semesters, I can get somewhere in the high 3.4 range. I want to break into either a Finance, Strategy or Research position at a bank. This summer I’m working at Bloomberg in a research internship. I plan on taking the GMAT in order to apply to some MS programs in Finance (I don’t feel like I’m far enough into a career to get an MBA, but I wanted some more business-oriented academic experience since my school’s Econ program is more policy based). I was thinking about taking some community college courses to build an alternative transcript and to possibly have the credits transfer over to bring my GPA closer to the 3.5 “cutoff”. Is this a good plan of action? Is there anything else I could do? Thank you in advance for your help.


    1. M&I - Nicole

      Yes taking community college course to bring your GPA closer to 3.5 helps and is a good plan of action. I’d also make sure you have relevant experience to list; this will improve your chance.

      1. Thank you. I agree with the relevant experience part, do you believe the research internship with Bloomberg will be sufficient?


        1. M&I - Nicole

          Probably not, I’d suggest that you gain more relevant experience in banks doing valuation/analytical work.

          1. How do I go about doing that as a rising senior, as this is my last summer left before recruitment season? Do I shadow or network for unpaid work/ contacts? I started a portfolio in a simulator to practice, if that went well, could that serve as sufficient knowledge?

          2. M&I - Nicole

            I’d approach boutique/mid-tier banks and see if they need an extra pair of hands. Otherwise I may branch out to look at say corporate finance jobs or other areas in finance just for this summer. In terms of working unpaid, I am not sure how appealing this is to larger firms, but this maybe useful for smaller banks. This article may also be useful: Yes your mock portfolio experience can potentially be useful for market-related roles like S&T, research.

          3. Okay. I’ll probably see what I could do for the school yearas far as boutique banks go, since this summer is more or less a done deal. At Bloomberg, I’m going to do mainly fixed income research, basically creating data to put into the terminal. They said that we’d have a chance to float around differnt teams a bit to get a better idea of research in general. I’ll try to work on analytical tasks whenever I can and try to do some studying to expand my quanitatice in my free time. Is there any resources you know of that discuss valuations? Plus, thank you for all of the help and patience you’ve given so far. I appreciate it

          4. M&I - Nicole

            Yes I’d suggest that you check out the links below on valuation. Damodaran is a renowned professor at Stern who teaches valuation. His materials can potentially be useful:


  17. Hi,

    I am an international student majoring in Finance and Accounting at a non-target university. I have a 3.5 GPA and internships with 2 of the Big 4’s. However, I wasn’t able to maintain a membership in my school’s investment banking club due to my lowering grades (my classes got harder and I was trying to balance it with my extracurricular). Do you think it’s worth giving up my full-time offer with the Big 4 and going in for IB? I’v really wanted to do IB!

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I’d take the job with the big 4 unless you already have an internship with the IB lined up.

  18. hi, i have done MBA with specialization in finance with gpa of 3.0. can i get into investment banking? i have good knowledge in IB but not getting any response.

    1. M&I - Nicole

      Yes your GPA can be improved. I’d also try to gain some relevant work experience through networking.

  19. Matthias Smith

    Hi, I have been reading the articles on this website for a while and I must say that they are top-notch. Your strategy for networking with alumni has provided me with three informational interviews, two with analysts and one with an MD. I recently graduated with a 2.98 and wanted to know if it would be safe to round up to a 3.0 on my resume. I do not intend to come across as dishonest, but I do not want to have my application placed in the bin for not making the 3.0 threshold. Thank you for your thoughts and input regarding my question.

    1. M&I - Nicole

      Thanks for your input. I am not 100% sure. I think 2.98 is more ethical but if you were to round everything up 2.98 -> 3.0

  20. My background is a bit of both, given that I’m an international with low GPA (3.3). The plus side is that I am in a non-ivy target and I did 3 relevant unpaid internships( non-U.S.) preparing materials for pitch books, doing due diligence and some market researches. I am currently a sophomore looking for summer internships. While I’m hoping to get my GPA higher during the rest of my sophomore year, how do you think I should position myself in search of a sophomore internship in the U.S.? I’ve applied to a few IB sophomore programs but heard back from none so far.
    Also, do you really think a 3.5 is enough for getting an interview for a bulge bracket junior year internship/ job offer? As far as I heard most people who get in have 3.7 or higher.
    Thank you very much!

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I think your relevant finance internships can most definitely help. If you can pull your GPA up to 3.7 this will really help. 3.5 is decent though I’m not sure if it is sufficient to make cut off for some banks. Close enough. What I’d do is focus on networking like connecting with alumni and people on LinkedIn to increase your chances.

  21. Nicole, quick question: I attended a community college for 2 years and had a 3.97 GPA. I recently transferred to Columbia (this is my first semester as a sophomore) and I was wondering what I do with my GPA. It seems iffy combining GPAs from both institutions but I have read numerous posts and my career office say that I could combine them, but I have to note “Combined GPA” instead of “Overall GPA.” Being that I am in Columbia now, I don’t want to include a community college on my resume but I still don’t want my hard work (3.97) to be unnoticed. What do you think I should do? Do I combine them?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      Yes if your career office says you can combine them then I’d combine the GPAs! You can also add an overall GPA in Columbia when you get the number, just make sure you do well your first year at Columbia…

  22. Hi, I’m an Economics/Philosophy double major at Stony Brook University. I was originally on the pre-dental track, but my grades and GPA just plummeted. I’m probably going to have a 3.25 after this semester; however, I think I can raise that GPA to at least over a 3.5 and possibly over a 3.6 since I’ll be doing Economics and Philosophy rather than science. I’ll probably have a 3.9-4.0 PHI & ECO GPA.

    Do you think I have a reasonable shot at getting an investment banking internship with that GPA and background? Any suggestions on what sort of networking I should be focusing on? Also, any tips on how to spin the story about bad grades in science early on in my studies?

    Thank you!

    1. M&I - Nicole

      Your chances are less than 50/50 given what you wrote. should help you. Networking – LinkedIn. Yes, perhaps you selected a course to challenge yourself and you knew it was hard, but it turned out to be more challenging than you expected. You can also mention of other commitments (didn’t spend enough time on your studies) and how you’ve worked on this problem

  23. Hello. I have a few questions for you, if you don’t mind. I’m a junior, studying ‘International Business and Economics’ at an Uni from Eastern Europe and I was wondering if it’s possible to break into IB, with relatively average grade? Should I move to a finance program in the winter break ? It’s possible to get an Internship in the UK in the summer ? I was also planning to get a MSc in Finance degree at an University from London but considering my grades and financial situation it would be almost impossible to be accepted at a target or even semi-target school. What would be your suggestions ?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      Yes it is possible and it is also challenging. Suggestions:

  24. If I transferred from UW-Milwaukee to UW-Madison, should I include by UW-Milwaukee GPA on my resume.? UW-Milwaukee GPA is a 3.8 and UW-Madison is a 3.0.

  25. Hi, I’m a finance/acctg major from university of Auckland, New Zealand -the top Uni in the country but probably wouldn’t matter to U.S. schools. My GPA is 3.2 probably 3.3 when i graduate, 3month intern exerience at venture capital firm in China, average EC’s. Looking to get a good MSF in U.S. to break into BB/Wall st. What are my chances, any advice on how to get there? Thanks

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I’d suggest you to get your GPA up to 3.5 if possible. A target MSF can potentially help you. I’d also suggest gaining relevant industry experience.

  26. Hi,

    Thanks for the great article, it got me thinking about a few things and got me thinking about a couple of questions:

    1. What is considered the cut off for “good GPA?” (and is there a different cut-off based on your school’s “tier”?–whether it’s a target, non-target, etc.?)

    2. If you do have finance experience (sophomore internship), but were not able to do a lot of modeling/valuation due to the internship being short, will interviewers/recruiters look at that badly; if so, how could I put a positive spin to it?

    3. How do the bulge bracket firms in the US perceive finance internships for undergraduates in other regions instead of in the US, specifically Latin America?

    4. If, although, I’ve gotten high As for most classes I’ve taken, I have a B in most of the economics classes I’ve taken, will this matter a lot? Should I specifically take more econ classes and try to get an A in those classes to balance things out, or should that not be a focus? (Note: I’m an International Relations and Economics concentrator).

    Thank you!

    1. M&I - Nicole

      On your questions:

      1. 3.5+
      2. No because you were just a sophomore
      3. Those internships should be relevant, especially if you’re talking about major cities like London and HK. But they are not as relevant as US deals if you’re interviewing for roles in NY
      4. Yes I’d focus on getting As if you can

  27. Hi, when you do cold calling and no one picks up, should you leave a message with your pitch or call back later until you reach the person?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I’d cold call around 10AM – say 5:30PM during working days (M-F except public holidays) for IB roles. For S&T roles I’d most definitely cold call after market hours, but before they go home. No I would not leave a message. I may cold-email at the same time.

  28. IBorBust

    Hi Brain,

    Great site. I managed to network into an off-cycle IB interview in a good boutique in New York. However, I didn’t get the offer last week. Now, I am wondering how I can use this new development to my advantage as I carry on with my networking efforts. Got to admit, seriously bummed out now. :(

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I am sorry to hear. I’d give yourself credit for getting the interview though. I’d stay in touch with your interviewers (for future opportunities) and also ask them for feedback on your performance – i.e. how could you have improved in your interview.

  29. I have transferred from a community college to a somewhat notable school. I am wondering if it is acceptable to include my community college GPA into my four year university GPA as a cumulative figure on my resume?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I am not sure if this is ok but you can include two GPAs

  30. I want to do an internship in the US but am unsure about my grades. I’m doing a double bachelor’s degree in Commerce (finance major) and Engineering in Australia. The university is one of the two in Melbourne IBs recruit from. My numerical average, which is what BB IBs in Australia care about, is 74, which is above the cut-off for BB IBs in Australia, but the GPA is 3.0 and that’s after rounding( I did top the most difficult finance subject though.) The engineering degree is really killing my grades. Is there away I can convince American recruiters that they should count my numerical average? Would they even care to consider someone from non-Ivy universities?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      The easiest path is to transfer to a target university in the States. Otherwise your low GPA and non-US citizenship status can be a challenge…

  31. Extremely worried

    Slightly different situation.
    I’m a sophomore, female (if that makes a difference), Econ major at a top target school, with a 3.6 GPA. I just found out that I’m going to get a C+ in an economics class…that is about accounting. How closely do banks look at transcripts versus overall GPA? If I do well next quarter and pull my GPA up, will the C+ still matter? Also, I was going to go abroad next fall, but would it be a better idea to retake this course? Summer analyst recruiting takes place mainly during the winter quarter, so if I retook the class in the fall, I would have fixed that grade on my transcript before applying to internships. But would it be so bad/inadvisable to go abroad in the fall, and retake this class in the winter – during recruiting? Unfortunately, I can’t retake this class this year.

    1. M&I - Nicole

      They may still ask about it but I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Be prepared for questions on that and know how to spin why you got a lower grade.

      I wouldn’t retake the class during recruiting because you may be so busy that time that you can’t focus on both at the same time, unless you’re taking less courses.

  32. For someone majoring in finance, would you recommend an MBA with a concentration in Finance or a Masters in Finance? Also, would a top 25 MBA program be good enough to get into IB?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      It depends. If you’re looking for a more quant role, MF maybe better than an MBA. I’d go for a top 10, ideally top 5, to be safe

  33. Hi,
    I was wondering if you would be able to shed some light on my current situation.

    I am a senior at a small unknown school in upstate NY with a major in Business Administration and concentration in Finance. I had a really rough start my first year which hurt my GPA. I have worked my GPA back up to slightly over a 3.0 and managed to keep my finance concentration GPA at a 3.54. I was elected as Comptroller on the Executive Board for the Student Association on my campus this year. I manage the finances for every club our campus has to offer and a large budget that I’m in charge of creating. I’m also interning at a well know financial advising firm where I do a lot of investment analysis for my supervisor. I have experience working with a charity organization doing free tax returns for low income individuals as well. I’m also managing a $40,000 portfolio for my school and i’m the team leader for my school in an intercollegiate portfolio management competition and also the lead researcher in 2 sectors for my team. I also have taken a course on financial modeling which I know is very important.

    I am currently starting to apply for analyst positions at investment banks for this summer but I unfortunately have no connections at any firms other than my roommates father working in a high up position at a bulge bracket but in a field unrelated to finance or IB. I also have no prior IB experience. I am really struggling with the fact that I most likely wont find a position in IB due to my school and average GPA. I’m really trying to not settle for a advising job where i’ll essentially be a salesmen. Any comments or advice will be much appreciated.

    1. M&I - Nicole

      “I’m also managing a $40,000 portfolio for my school and i’m the team leader for my school in an intercollegiate portfolio management competition and also the lead researcher in 2 sectors for my team.” is useful – you may want to highlight that in conversations

      If you’re passionate about the stock markets and good at it, I’d approach a few asset management firms in your area through cold-call and emails. I’d start with an internship and then progress to opportunities at larger firms. Find out 20 firms you’re interested in on the buy-side and start compiling their contacts and cold-email them.

      1. Would you suggest doing that for a couple of years then going for my MBA and then try an Investment Bank?

        1. M&I - Nicole

          Sure, I’d try to get your MBA (at a target) after 2-3 years of work experience if possible. The sooner the better it will help you break into IB

  34. But what if you are majoring in a highly-quantitative field (say Statistics, Economics or Mathematics)?

    A 3.2 GPA would be considered exceptionally above average. A 2.97 is the average GPA in my school’s Mathematics department.

    I’m currently double majoring in Economics and Statistics, with a GPA of 3.3. Sure, I could easily switch my major to Finance or something less rigorous and earn a 3.5+.

    Moreover, the average GPA for graduate admission into my school’s MsC in Financial Engineering program is 3.2.

    Is the 3.5 GPA threshold adjusted for differences in rigor or major?

    1. M&I - Nicole

      I understand. However, most banks don’t take the differences in major into consideration.

    2. Hi,
      Junior female majoring in Business with focus in Finance at University of Massachusetts Boston. Investment banking is really appealing to me but everytime i read this blog i get anxiety attack because my GPA will not quite be 3.5 when i get my Bachelor. Is that GPA a requirement for any major and well known investment banks? And what would you suggest me to do if i’m graduating in 2016?

      1. M&I - Nicole

        Yes having a solid GPA (above 3.5) will really help you to make it to the first cut. Get solid work experience in the industry

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