Financial Institutions Groups (FIG) 101: Got Book Value?

Financial Institutions Groups (FIG)If you want to be a bit different from all the other bankers out there, financial institutions coverage just might be for you:

  • Valuation is completely different.
  • You need to understand the finer points of accounting and spot small details.
  • No one else outside of FIG understands what’s going on.
  • And hey, you might even learn how to cause a financial crisis or two.

As an added bonus, you’ll be busy regardless of whether we’re in a recession (banks consolidate to cut costs) or an expansion (banks consolidate to expand and new banks go public).

You just need to wrap your head around all the tricky concepts first and crack the FIG success code.

Read on for all of that and more – including how you can optimize your chances of getting placed in FIG, the most common deal types, how valuation differs, and whether or not you can ever get non-FIG exit opportunities.

Breaking Into FIG

Q: Let’s start from the beginning: how did you find your current role in your group?

A: I went to a top four school and networked through the alumni who were active in campus recruiting. They were very helpful in my process.

I was originally intrigued by my firm’s restructuring team, but through the selection process was placed into the financial institutions group.

It has been a great experience so far, and being in my group has really opened my eyes in terms of valuing companies and being a part of an active team.

In any phase of the economic cycle, you want to be in a group that is active with deal flow. I lucked out and was placed in a group that always seems to be busy.

Q: How does that matching process work? Is it based on sell days or just your preferences?

A: You hear presentations about the different groups and afterward you attend a short mixer of some sort.

You’ll need to make quality connections so that your favorite group members can vouch for you and make your case.

If you have too many connections but not enough depth, you can easily get placed into a group you didn’t even list as one of your choices.

It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it will make your career path more non-linear, especially if you have one mapped out already.

It’s a mutual fit – groups that have a greater need will have more spots open.

Q: Okay, but what about if I’m not an entry-level hire?

If I’m a lateral hire, what could I do to increase my chances of being placed in the FIG team?

A: One of my favorite movie scenes is this one right here. You cannot arrive at the table with a “clean slate” when you go in for a FIG interview.

My Managing Director once said, “It’s much easier to write a term paper with stuff written on the document already than it is to write from a blank sheet of paper.”

So you need to read up on FIG analysis, including how valuation differs, how the industry is divided, and you need to be able to speak intelligently about industry trends.

For an academic approach, take a look at NYU Professor Aswath Damodaran’s work and some of the papers he makes available on valuing financial services firms.

Other resources I recommend for more of an applied / hands-on approach:

Go through those and absorb everything you can, and make sure you can talk about a few recent FIG deals, what motivated them, and what you think about the valuation and deal terms. Maybe even produce a one-page summary…

They don’t expect you to know everything walking into the interview, but they do expect you to be enthusiastic and a fast learner.

Both elements come across in how you talk, how you interact with your interviewers, and through the quality of your work (or responses).

FIG Newton? How the Industry Works

Q: Wow, thanks for all of these tips. These are very helpful for anyone looking to join the FIG scene.

So what exactly do you cover? How is the industry divided, and are certain banks stronger in certain areas?

A: Historically, FIG has been the biggest revenue generator for many investment banks – so they devote a lot of resources to it.

Here are the main divisions within financial institutions, as well as a few middle-market and boutique banks that specialize in some of the areas:

  • Banks, Thrifts, and Depositories: Sandler O’Neil, Stifel Nicolaus Weisel (former Keefe Bruyette Woods), and Jefferies (former Barclays team)
  • Specialty Finance
  • Insurance: Macquarie (formerly: Fox Pitt Kelton)
  • Broker-Dealers
  • Investment / Asset Management
  • Financial Technology: FT Partners, Freeman + Co.

Of these areas, Banks, Thrifts and Depositories, Specialty Finance, and Insurance are by far the most different from “normal companies” because metrics like EBITDA and Enterprise Value simply don’t apply.

The other three sectors are not nearly as different, although there are some industry-specific metrics.

Here’s a brief overview of the business models in each of these sub-industries:

  • Banks, Thrifts, and Depositories: You deposit money, they pay you a certain interest rate, and then they issue loans to businesses and other individuals at a higher interest rate.
  • Specialty Finance: These are companies that provide “alternative lending” models – credit card companies, mortgage banks, commercial finance, leasing, mortgage REITs, asset-backed lending, and so on.
  • Insurance: You pay a premium to cover yourself or your property in case of emergency, and they pay you when emergency strikes; when it doesn’t (or until it does…), they invest the money to earn additional profits.
  • Broker-Dealers: They earn commissions on each trade or each deal (investment banks, stock exchanges, and so on).
  • Investment / Asset Management: They raise money from investors, invest it, and earn a return on their investment. Or, they may simply manage client funds and charge a percentage fee for that.
  • Financial Technology: Payment and transaction processing, card networks, financial software, and so on. The business models vary: commissions, recurring subscription fees, and more.

Q: OK, so those are a lot of areas and they all sound pretty different in terms of business models.

How does staffing work in FIG?

A: Depending on the firm, you can either be a generalist and receive assignments from any of the verticals, or be a specialist and just cover one area very well.

You just need to be flexible in your expectations – just because you like a certain sector doesn’t mean it’ll be incredibly busy.

As I said above, banks, insurance, and specialty finance are the most different sectors in FIG, so you’re more likely to be a specialist if you happen to work in one of those.

FIG Valuation: Book Value, Dividends, and… Regression Analysis?

Q: Right, so the experience is dependent on the sector but you’re more likely to be a specialist in certain areas than in others.

What about valuation? A lot of readers are curious about this one because it’s so dramatically different for FIG.

A: Most practitioners who cover Financial Institutions argue that valuation is very different from all the other sectors’ valuations (ex: consumer retail, industrials, etc.).

The reality is that the valuations are different in calculation, but not in approach.

You still use both intrinsic valuation and relative valuation, including methodologies such as trading comparables and precedent transactions.

If you take a look at the Fairness Opinion for BlackRock / Barclays Global Investors (see page 20), you can see how the measures are evaluated in practice.

That is an example of an asset management valuation, and you can see the metrics and multiples they use: P / E, EV / EBITDA, and EV / AUM (Assets Under Management).

It’s not dramatically different from normal companies because asset management firms don’t make money with the interest rate spread as banks and specialty finance firms do.

As for the actual methodologies used, let’s break them down by sub-sector:

Discounted Cash Flow: Most applicable for broker-dealers, investment / asset management, and fin-tech. The same as your standard DCF.

  • Dividend Discount Model: FCF is meaningless for banks, specialty finance, and insurance firms, so you use dividends as a proxy for their free cash flow instead.
  • Multiples – P/E: You could use this for almost anything.
  • Multiples – P /BV and P / TBV: More applicable for banks, insurance, and specialty finance since their market values should be close to their book values. Sometimes Tangible Book Value is used, so you subtract Goodwill & Other Intangibles (which can artificially inflate Book Value).
  • Multiples – EV/EBITDA: Applies more to asset management, broker-dealers, and fin-tech; EBITDA is not used for the other sub-industries.
  • Multiples – EV / AUM: An important metric for asset management.
  • Multiples – Price Per Share / Embedded Value Per Share: This one’s specific to life insurance; embedded value is an intrinsic value methodology there.
  • Multiples – (Debt + Preferred Equity) /  Total Capital: specific to insurance
  • Regression Analysis (Net Flows): Asset Management Inflows that are directed to a firm’s AUM divided by the firm’s Assets Under Management, graphed against P/E. This metric tells you how price is related to the firm’s ability to attract new money.
  • Regression Analysis (Price / Book Value vs Return on Average Equity): Here you are keeping an eye for the premium (discount) of companies’ datapoints to the curve itself.
  • Pro Forma Analysis (Merger Consequences Analysis or Accretion-Dilution): Pretty standard, but it can get complicated with banks (deposit divestitures, regulatory capital adjustments, and so on).

See page 18 here if you’re interested in an investment firm case study.

For a reinsurance client presentation on valuation, try:

Fairfax Financial / Odyssey Re:

On the bank/thrift side of things, geographic presence is a big motivation to engage in M&A, as illustrated here.

Taking a look at a transaction between stock exchanges, you can see that the valuation measures are very similar to the standard set.

Q: That all seems pretty straightforward except for the regression analysis part – I didn’t think we’d see that used much outside of research / econometrics.

Anything else we should know about valuation in FIG?

A: Another big aspect here is working with and analyzing regulatory capital.

All banks and insurance firms must keep a certain amount of “capital” (basically, shareholders’ equity, adjusted for a few other items) on their balance sheets at all times.

That plays into the valuation because, for example, in a dividend discount model you can’t just blindly assume a 10% or 20% growth rate.

You have to check to make sure that the bank has the minimum amount of regulatory capital required, and then tie all growth and dividend issuance assumptions to that ratio.

So if you’re assuming that they issue a certain percentage of net income as dividends each year, their capital levels must remain above the minimum percentages even after they issue those dividends.

Bonus: Check out this comprehensive tutorial on Bank & Insurance Modeling to learn even more.

Brokers & Dealing

Q: I see, so it sounds like a tweak to the traditional DCF where you can just make the assumptions you want to make, within reason.

What types of deals are most common in your group?

A: Generally the split is pretty even among equity, debt, and advisory assignments. If the market is not doing so well, expect regional depositories to be acquired by larger players.

When times are good, expect a higher proportion of equity deals.

It’s consistent with corporate finance theory – if a firm issues equity, it’s a sign of good times within the issuer.

If a firm issues debt, it means that they need the funds for something more specific than general corporate funding.

Q: That’s interesting to see a more even split compared to other sectors.

What do the industry pages look like in pitch books?

A: Your pages differ depending on the sector you’re covering.

The financial sector is greatly affected by policy updates and regulations, so you might even be staffed on government presentations.

A set of pages might reference major developments and how these developments translate into challenges or opportunities.

Here’s what you might expect to see discussed in the different sub-sectors (just the ones I’m familiar with):

Banks, Thrifts, and Depositories:  Benchmarking pages include a segment on how well-capitalized depositories are. For regional banks, you’re likely to see something on the geographic concentration of branches.

In Manhattan, there’s always a fight between Bank of America and Chase over the number of physical branches and that’s the type of information you might see.

Investment Management: Trends on where money is going will be important to mention (types of investments and the level of overall net new money). The retention of clients through strong customer service and a track record for solid returns is crucial.

Insurance: The main areas concern life, auto, and property insurance. Factors that affect an insurance company include consumer confidence, employment levels, and interest rates.

For more specific forms of insurance, you might even see something on changes and trends in social attitudes (e.g. peoples’ views on work ethic and stability for disability insurance).

Exchanges: Believe it or not, exchanges do face competition. How other firms are able to out-innovate (process, price, etc.) the economies of scale poses a risk to exchanges. Some banks actually internalize trades and take away this trade volume from exchanges.

Exit Opportunities: What Exit Opportunities?

Q: Interesting to note all that. It sounds like you learn about the broader trends in the economy, but do you also get broader exit opportunities?

Some people say FIG is an incredibly specialized group and that you can’t do anything outside of FIG afterward – true or false?

A: It is, and it isn’t. Some people say being in FIG is a handicap for private equity recruiting.

If you’re in FIG, however, you have a much better story in terms of getting into strategy / corporate development roles at financial institutions.

You are definitely more specialized, and that can limit PE opportunities – but you’re also in a much better position for funds that invest in financial institutions.

Most normal PE firms won’t even touch financial institutions because they don’t understand them – but there are a few specialized PE firms that focus on FIG (e.g. JC Flowers) and they’re not likely to recruit someone without FIG experience.

And if you want to stay in a financial center, FIG experience can be very helpful even if you move into another group, another firm, or another industry altogether.

So much business in places like London and New York depends on financial firms that understanding them in-depth and having contacts there can make a big difference in almost any field – if you start your own company one day in one of those cities, guess who your main customers might be?

Q: Right, those are great points and I hadn’t thought through that one about FIG being central to business in financial centers.

So how can readers tell if FIG is right for them?

A: If you like reading up on the sector and you enjoy following financials you’re good to go.

The quality of your work is dictated by how badly you want to perform, and how interested you are in your work.

Some of the top leadership on Wall Street today actually had some background in the sector – for example, Morgan Stanley CFO Ruth Porat was originally a tech banker who then worked in financial sponsors / financial institutions.

And so I don’t think you can really argue with FIG as a solid way to start off your career.

Q: Awesome, thanks for your time.

A: Sure thing – enjoyed speaking with you!

Luis Miguel Ochoa has worked in investment banking for several years covering the industrial sector. In addition to being an avid mentor for his alma mater, he volunteers for the Association of Latino Professionals in Finance and Accounting. In his spare time, he is fencing, and attends networking events in New York. He has graduated from Stanford with a BA in Economics.

Regression Analysis (Net Flows): A


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36 Responses to “Financial Institutions Groups (FIG) 101: Got Book Value?”
  1. rt:

    thanks for the great interview

  2. Vo:

    Great Job!! as usual. M&I continues to exceeeeed all my expectations!

  3. Sol:

    Thanks for the great interview. I’m a little doubtful about the optimism presented in this view though. The interviewee noted that there might be exit opps in FIG PE and financial centers (?) if you want to start in your own company. From other opinions I’ve searched online, it seems the general opinion is that FIG is an extremely niche industry and that unless you really love it, you should get out ASAP. Definitely doesn’t sound like the place for college grads to start their careers. Is this true?

    • I think there’s some truth to that, but the same thing happens with most industry groups – recruiters always try to pigeonhole you into exit opportunities related to that industry. If you do tech you’ll get funneled into tech-related opportunities. Maybe it’s a little easier to switch industries outside of FIG, but you’re still limited to some extent.

  4. Dreama Queen:

    Is FIG any good if you hope to be the CEO of a bank one day?

    • You could argue that it is. In practice, bank CEOs come from all different areas within the firm including S&T, IBD, etc. Knowledge of how financial institution accounting and valuation work is helpful but you don’t necessarily need to work in FIG to pick that up.

  5. M:

    I work in a FIG team in Asia and it seems that the FIG team always has the longest hours in the bank. Same goes for my friends in other banks. Is this the case in the States/UK?

    • Hard to say – everyone likes to think they have the longest hours. You do work a lot in FIG but the hours really depend on your group, deal flow, and what the economy is doing. I do think that FIG can be more technical than other groups, especially in areas like insurance, so that can make it worse.

  6. Grotbags:

    I just wanted to ask a question regarding networking.

    If I have already met with a person from the same group, and am now trying to reach out to a more senior guy in that group, should I mention that I have talked to the other person in the email?

    My thinking: if I mentioned the other guy, he might just say oh well then just talk to him instead and don’t waste my time. But if don’t mention it, he might find out anyway, and the other guy I talked to might get pissed off.

    Any advice is welcome. Thanks.

    • M&I - Nicole:

      If you got along fine with the other person and he/she liked you and is ok with you contacting his/her senior, do so.

      I would try to network with other people in the same firm and see how the other person gets along with that senior guy. If they get along fine, I would not bother contacting the senior person if the other person didn’t like you and/or minds you contacting his/her senior. If the two didn’t get along fine, I’d go ahead and contact the senior guy anyway.

  7. Grotbags:

    Another Question regarding networking – I talked to a guy over the phone a couple of days ago, but I want to meet with him in person. Also because I’m in the midst of recruiting so I don’t want to wait for a few weeks before reaching out to him again. When should I email and How best can I word it? Thanks.

    • Just say that you’re actually about to leave town or travel or something and you’d like to meet him in the next few days if possible – you know he’s busy, but you really value his insights and would appreciate being able to do that before you have to take off.

    • M&I - Nicole:

      Just ask him if he’s available for a coffee/drink on email. Offer to drop by a coffee shop/pub close to his offer

  8. Vivien H.:

    Nice but I’m more interested in what happens behind closed doors at the FDIC between fridays & sundays ie a bank is declared in receivership & the next monday it opens shops as subsidiary of a big one…does anyone have any idea where and how to break in? It’ll be more fun there…

    • Hah, good one. We are featuring an upcoming interview series on finance jobs in the government so that may be relevant for you.

  9. Michele:

    I tried to call this MD earlier this afternoon but didn’t get through. I assumed he’s busy so just left a voicemail message and asked him to call me back. If he doesn’t give me a call back, should I call him later today or early tomorrow morning?

    • I would not leave voicemail until you’ve tried dozens of times and couldn’t get through. In this case, I would just try back early morning or late at night to avoid gatekeepers until you get in touch and try each day.

  10. Dele:

    Incredible article Bri. Perfection as usual. Thanks

    • Thanks! Luis deserves the credit though – he conducted the interview and wrote it, I just edit and respond to comments. :)

      • Esteban:

        Luis is the man. I actually met him in person and he really knows what he is talking about.

  11. KM:

    Hey, nice article! I was wondering if someone who’s working on a bank-merger deal might have to work on more complicated models such as RAROC or risk-management related?

    • Merger models can be more complicated (deposit divestitures etc.) but generally you don’t see RAROC and so on. From what I’ve seen and discussions with friends in FIG, anyway.

  12. Adam:

    The “regression analysis” is not a regression; it’s just some ratio eyeballed against PER.

  13. c_z:

    Amazing coverage on FIG.
    I am a first year in a BB FIG. I learned a lot from this interview and would recommend the resources mentioned by Luis as well.
    Kudos to both Luis and Brian.

    • Thanks! Glad to hear it, and let us know if you have any additional resources that would be helpful.

  14. Class of 2012:

    Does anybody know of an equivalent to the above mentioned “Financial Institutions, Markets, and Money” for the European Financial Institutions Market? Business Models for large universal banks (Barclays/JPM, Deutsche/BAC) might not be materially different, however dealings with institutions like the ECB and national central banks and regulatory issues might differ. Thanks!

  15. AJ:

    Another great interview; very informative as always.

    I was wondering what backgrounds are common amongst FIG bankers who do not break in to banking right out of undergrad? I’ve met with many bankers working in tech, retail, and healthcare coverage groups, and it seems that many of the associates have worked in the industry they are covering firsthand at some point, either right before banking or before B-school. Would you say it is more common/plausible for FIG bankers to come from corporate finance or corporate development backgrounds?

    Also, quick resume question- is it appropriate to list specific modeling courses that I have completed, such as your BIWS course or Training the Street courses for example, on my resume?

    • Class of 2012:

      At my firm we have one Director in FIG who previously worked at an Asset Management company in Portfolio Management. He switched careers after going to grad school.

    • M&I - Nicole:

      Its hard to say because some break in right after college, some break in having corp fin backgrounds/backgrounds with other FI.

      Yes.

  16. Chris:

    Thanks for a great article.

    I’m assuming most FIGs are based in New York, but are there any that are housed elsewhere?

    • M&I - Nicole:

      In US, perhaps SF and Texas? Internationally, HK & London

  17. Amy Geng:

    Hi Brian, thanks for the great article here. It’s very informative and helpful!
    You mentioned that there are some FIG-focused buy-side firms like JC Flowers, wonder what other names you know that also have dedicated FIG coverage?

    Thank you so much!

    Amy

    • M&I - Nicole:

      I don’t know of others though I’ll let you know if I come across other names.

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