So it’s my last day in investment banking and what better way to celebrate than by writing a weekly Q&A post? How about a Q&A post with commentary, announcements and other thoughts at the bottom?
Investment Banking In The Middle East
“I’m a rising junior seeking a career in finance/consulting. I’ve worked in private wealth management, strategy and corporate finance before and am looking to do banking after graduation.
I noticed you’ve written a lot about the “China angle” and how a lot of readers on your site are going there for finance opportunities.
While it’s definitely a big opportunity, I feel people are overlooking the Middle East. With banks sending a lot of people to Dubai, Abu Dhabi, etc. and the rise in stature of the Middle Eastern financial centers, do you think it’s worth pursuing banking or consulting there?
Do you have any tips for pursuing a career in the Middle East?”
Inquisitor:
I definitely agree with you that the Middle East is an often-overlooked opportunity area. Most Americans are at least somewhat conscious of the rise of China and India, but the Middle East sometimes goes unnoticed.
You’re onto something with your plan to work there - within a few years it could certainly turn into a hot spot.
If you want to work in the Middle East, the best thing you can do to prepare is get a summer internship there or take advantage of any other chance you have to get there.
People often advise aspiring bankers to work in New York first because it makes it easier to transition elsewhere later. This advice is true, to an extent, but you could easily do an internship in Dubai, work in New York full-time at first and then move back later.
I would also recommend contacting alumni who work in or who are from the region and seeing if any of them can point you in the right direction.
Types Of Recruiting Teams
“I’m a rising senior preparing for recruiting in the fall. Do the Investment Banking, Sales & Trading, Equity Capital Market, Debt Capital Markets, Research, and Private Equity divisions of a BB have their own recruiting teams at each school, or do they have a collective team that evaluates candidates?
I may be interested in a few of those areas, and not sure which direction I will go in yet. If I were to apply for both IBD and ECM, would my resume be reviewed by both teams or a joint team? Would it reflect negatively upon me if I apply for both?”
Inquisitor:
I hate to give non-answers, but this one depends entirely on the bank/group/office in question, as well as your school to an extent. Generally banks will send a few different people from across those groups to a school for recruiting/interviewing purposes; sometimes your resume may be filtered into the group they think you’re most suitable for, while other times each group will actually review your resume.
Personally, I only review resumes for those who apply to investment banking - I never look at anyone who’s applying for a different group.
It’s in your best interest to indicate a group preference - if you’re too wishy-washy on the application, the groups may get to talking and realize you don’t know where you want to be.
Even if you don’t know exactly, you should pretend that you do know and focus on one area to maximize your chances.
My Own Resume
“I was wondering, since you’ve written so much about resumes and have your resume review service, is there any chance you would mind sharing your resume on the site? Obviously I would expect you to alter names and numbers of course.
If you can’t do that, could you share a few anonymous resumes that you think are good? I’m starting shortly as a full-time investment banking analyst and want to understand what people consider “good” resumes.”
Inquisitor:
Interesting idea, but I fear that I would have to alter it so much to remain anonymous that it would no longer be worth looking at… more than names and numbers, I would have to change around details like school, activities, interests and previous work experiences and it wouldn’t resemble my own resume when I finished.
Fortunately, I do plan on posting sample “good” resumes once I finish up my investment banking prep service and will make those freely available to everyone.
And who knows, I might just be inspired to post a version of my own resume if enough people want to see it and I temporarily lose my sanity.
Feedback On The Investment Banking Prep Service
Thanks for all the feedback everyone submitted last week on this upcoming prep service/product/whatever you want to call it - I received over 100 responses via the survey and email and still haven’t had time to go through everything.
It seems everyone wants something slightly different, so I will likely offer a combination of the options presented there, with pricing and such to be determined at a later date.
Also, just to be clear - free content and blog posts will continue as well. I recognize many readers want to learn about investment banking but don’t necessarily want to be in investment banking.
My Last Day As An Investment Banker - Thoughts
Today marks my last day at work. It’s strange to be leaving after spending, oh, around 80% of my waking hours in the past 2 years in this office (that might have been 90% but my improved 2nd year hours dropped the average a bit).
I certainly won’t miss all those all-nighters, but I’ll definitely miss all my friends who are sticking around and continuing through next year.
Truthfully, I’m even going to miss the senior bankers around here. Sure, they made my life miserable at times, but looking back on it a lot of what I went through almost seems funny today.
I’m both excited and intimidated over what lies ahead - whatever happens, it’s going to be even more of an adventure than these past 2 years were.
Future Plans
I’ll be traveling over the next few weeks but posting will continue in my absence.
When I get back, expect more news on my upcoming service(s) and some other projects I’ve been working on in the background.
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hi inquisitor,
the advice and the content you’ve laid out here on your site is truly remarkable and insightful.
i have a few questions regarding investment banking resumes:
1) Do you recommend a resume that contains coursework if that individual is already on a finance track?
2) A resume that seems to be cluttered with content from all sides of the paper using a smaller font so as to add all of one’s accomplishments?
Regarding the investment banking world, how hard will it be for the 2009 class to obtain an IB analyst stint from a non-target?
Thank you so much!
Hi Gomi,
1) If you already are a finance major, don’t include finance coursework unless it’s banking-related… I usually just list unusual/interesting items there if applicable.
2) No, avoid clutter, it makes it very difficult to read. Focus on the major items on your resume and reduce appropriately.
3) Non-target IBD recruiting will be tough this year - you will likely need either a previous banking internship or will have to go to a smaller firm. Many of the bulge brackets are not even recruiting heavily at target schools, though you can always get in with persistence.
What are you up to next, Inquisitor? PE? Hedge Funds? Something completely different?
Piquay: I drank the kool-aid and will be running several of my own businesses. Should be an adventure, and if that fails there’s always retirement to Thailand as my safety net…
Hi Inquisitor,
I love your site and glad to see how helpful your posts are to the job-seeking community, thank you for all your hard work and can’t wait to see what you have in store next!
I had a kind of off topic question related to resumes. I am an undergraduate hoping to get a full-time position this upcoming fall and had a couple of questions.
I have about three of my past summer job positions were actually temp positions through a temp/staffing agency. While I am still an undergrad, these were pretty much temporary full-time positions where I did have descent responsibility
I am pretty confused on how to represent these on my resume without writing “temp” for each position, would it be ok to embellish a little and pretty much represent them as more representative titles of the jobs they were like “Financial Analyst” or would this be considered lying?
Also, I have the company listed on my resume for each position but what about background checks, obviously the company names would not show up but the temp/staffing agency shell that placed me there would, I have though full references from my previous supervisors/managers of each individual company I was contracted to work for, would this raise any red flags?
Mike: As far as I can tell, a summer job is a summer job. It doesn’t really matter if it was “temp” or not, you were still there for a few months and then moved on. If you want to be 100% certain, sure, put (Temp) in parentheses after it but I think you’re fine listing that title.
Think you’re fine on the background checks as well… on the forms they have you fill out, just give a brief explanation.
I apologize for another post but forgot one last thing
I’ve been going through your site and reading pretty much all your entries that I missed.
Particularly, in “how to get an investment banking job” under “bankify your resume” your cite that it is ok to embellish a little and give and example of a research assistant and look like there are some stuff added that the person may have not of done but looks much better on the resume
How would play out in a background check, do employers actually ask what position you were and the your responsibilites? Or do they just verify employment dates and how good of any employee you were?
I I embellished a little on the job titles and job responsibilities to make it more finance related or bank related would this come back to haunt me during background checks? I do have full references and never really had a job title but anything than temp sounds more finance related
I apologize for the barrage of questions, I’m trying to prep as much as I can so I know what to expect this upcoming fall
Everyone embellishes a little - background checks really only expose when you worked there and basic info. like that. Companies are reluctant to divulge too much for fear of lawsuits.
Last Question, I Promise!
I have full references of the employers would it be considered lying if I just played them off as contract positions through each respective employer without even mentioning that they were thru a staffing/temp agency?
Are temp/staffing agency jobs looked down up on resumes?
I worked for the contracted employers but was officially employed by the staffing agency
I figure if they just call and verify dates and stuff then HR can do this with my previous employers, and leave out the fact the positions were thru temp agency?
Also, would it be more advisable to put them on as full time position like “Operations Analyst” or something like an “Operations Intern” what would the fact that these positions do not say intern raise any red flags?
I’m sorry, I am determined and really enthusiastic about investment banking and just found your site!
I really wouldn’t worry about this too much - again, perhaps just put (Temp) in parentheses after the title and you’re fine. I don’t know why they would be looked down on, they’re the same as internships.
Aw man… This post exhausts all the readings on this site. Booo! I want more! I NEED more! =P
I gotta stop doing this at work…
I have big expectations for you to help me land that full-time job, Inquisitor! =D (Hopefully…)
Jane: thanks, glad you enjoy it so much.
I got your email as well - will reply but have been buried with moving and organizing things these last few days.
Congrats on finishing your banking stint! Hope you can continue to maintain this great site.
Thanks! And yes, the site will continue and actually expand quite a bit over the next few months.
Inquisitor enjoy your trip! and tell us about it!
Thanks - about to head for the airport right now (feels weird not to go into work on Monday) so will keep you updated.