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	<title>Comments on: Investment Banking Exit Opportunities: The Myth Of The Buyside Job</title>
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	<description>Career advice for ambitious college students and recent graduates: how to get a job in finance and how to maintain your sanity.</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-1235</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the past few years it has been pretty rare to get an MBA at all because the  market has been good and people want to stay in it and take advantage of bonuses etc.  I think that's changing now and more are going back for MBAs.

Some IBD analysts go back after 2 years but the more common route is 2 years IBD and then 2 years on buyside and then MBA.  It's not really "necessary" to do this but some of them just want a break and opportunity to advance more.

A banking analyst doesn't really "need" an MBA unless the firm requires it to advance or something... and they would always stop working and do it full-time to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past few years it has been pretty rare to get an MBA at all because the  market has been good and people want to stay in it and take advantage of bonuses etc.  I think that&#8217;s changing now and more are going back for MBAs.</p>
<p>Some IBD analysts go back after 2 years but the more common route is 2 years IBD and then 2 years on buyside and then MBA.  It&#8217;s not really &#8220;necessary&#8221; to do this but some of them just want a break and opportunity to advance more.</p>
<p>A banking analyst doesn&#8217;t really &#8220;need&#8221; an MBA unless the firm requires it to advance or something&#8230; and they would always stop working and do it full-time to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator>jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You. So is it common for IB analysts to stop working and get their MBA after their 2 year contracts expire, before becoming an Associate? Or do a lot of IB analysts move up to associate status or into a PE/HF with a similar payscale without getting an MBA?

Basically why/when would a banking analyst need to get an MBA and how would they go about it if necessary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You. So is it common for IB analysts to stop working and get their MBA after their 2 year contracts expire, before becoming an Associate? Or do a lot of IB analysts move up to associate status or into a PE/HF with a similar payscale without getting an MBA?</p>
<p>Basically why/when would a banking analyst need to get an MBA and how would they go about it if necessary?</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People generally don't do that - it's common to get an MBA -after- doing banking and after working for a PE/HF, but usually part-time MBAs are not viewed in the same way as full-time degrees.

Also, if you're already in finance sometimes the MBA isn't even worth it unless you need it to advance (more the case at some PEs and some banks rather than HFs).  It's generally a much better deal for career changers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People generally don&#8217;t do that - it&#8217;s common to get an MBA -after- doing banking and after working for a PE/HF, but usually part-time MBAs are not viewed in the same way as full-time degrees.</p>
<p>Also, if you&#8217;re already in finance sometimes the MBA isn&#8217;t even worth it unless you need it to advance (more the case at some PEs and some banks rather than HFs).  It&#8217;s generally a much better deal for career changers.</p>
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		<title>By: jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 2 years of being an analyst at an investment bank would it be feasible to get an MBA while working for a hedge fund or PE firm? If so, would this be a good option or just unnecessary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 2 years of being an analyst at an investment bank would it be feasible to get an MBA while working for a hedge fund or PE firm? If so, would this be a good option or just unnecessary?</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-882</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that's viable, but you probably would not come in as higher than an Associate unless you work at a startup that really takes off (e.g. the next Google).

Either equity research or IBD works, some VCs actually prefer equity research because it is more about following the markets etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah that&#8217;s viable, but you probably would not come in as higher than an Associate unless you work at a startup that really takes off (e.g. the next Google).</p>
<p>Either equity research or IBD works, some VCs actually prefer equity research because it is more about following the markets etc.</p>
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		<title>By: k-money</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>k-money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 07:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To get to a VC, would this route be feasible - tech consulting &#62; tech emerging tech startup &#62; b school &#62; equity research in emerging tech/markets &#62; VC?

In place of equity research, would being an IBD associate at a BB bank be a better option?

Thanks in advance, again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get to a VC, would this route be feasible - tech consulting &gt; tech emerging tech startup &gt; b school &gt; equity research in emerging tech/markets &gt; VC?</p>
<p>In place of equity research, would being an IBD associate at a BB bank be a better option?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance, again!</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-754</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

Unfortunately it's very, very difficult to generalize hedge fund jobs as they differ dramatically in scope and what you do on a daily basis.  You could be more of a trader; you could do a lot of financial analysis (so basically like banking but without all the BS) or you could basically just follow companies or debt issuances.  

I would focus on developing your financial modeling skills... the other more qualitative stuff from banking is kind of useless at a hedge fund.

And given how many funds there are, yes, you'll be able to get in somewhere.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>Unfortunately it&#8217;s very, very difficult to generalize hedge fund jobs as they differ dramatically in scope and what you do on a daily basis.  You could be more of a trader; you could do a lot of financial analysis (so basically like banking but without all the BS) or you could basically just follow companies or debt issuances.  </p>
<p>I would focus on developing your financial modeling skills&#8230; the other more qualitative stuff from banking is kind of useless at a hedge fund.</p>
<p>And given how many funds there are, yes, you&#8217;ll be able to get in somewhere.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: 1st year</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>1st year</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 23:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently a first year analyst at a regional bank.  A regional bank was really the only option I had, given I went to a state school.  All of the positives that they say about boutique/regional banks have been true in my case.  I have had likeable coworkers, have gotten great "exposure," and the hours are better.

I am starting to think about what I want to do after next year, and am considering everything (from operational roles, to PE, to hedge funds).  The biggest unknown for me is hedge funds.  Can you provide any insight into what I would be doing at a hedge fun coming from an analyst position?  What parts of my job are relevant and where I should focus time to gain skills in that department?  Is there any chance that I could get my foot in the door?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently a first year analyst at a regional bank.  A regional bank was really the only option I had, given I went to a state school.  All of the positives that they say about boutique/regional banks have been true in my case.  I have had likeable coworkers, have gotten great &#8220;exposure,&#8221; and the hours are better.</p>
<p>I am starting to think about what I want to do after next year, and am considering everything (from operational roles, to PE, to hedge funds).  The biggest unknown for me is hedge funds.  Can you provide any insight into what I would be doing at a hedge fun coming from an analyst position?  What parts of my job are relevant and where I should focus time to gain skills in that department?  Is there any chance that I could get my foot in the door?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Inquisitor</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Inquisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi PJ,

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the post.

Value Investing Fund managers generally have much better lifestyles than investment bankers/private equity partners/hedge fund managers.  Expectations are not as high in terms of returns, so quite frankly they don't get paid as much either.

I'd say the 'one-zero' you quote is accurate; 0.50% of the assets under management is probably a good estimate of how much goes to the employees.  So much less than the 2% taken by "alternative investment" guys.

Again, lifestyle is indeed good but people often get bored of it and move on because it's not nearly as competitive as other fields in finance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PJ,</p>
<p>Thanks, glad you enjoyed the post.</p>
<p>Value Investing Fund managers generally have much better lifestyles than investment bankers/private equity partners/hedge fund managers.  Expectations are not as high in terms of returns, so quite frankly they don&#8217;t get paid as much either.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the &#8216;one-zero&#8217; you quote is accurate; 0.50% of the assets under management is probably a good estimate of how much goes to the employees.  So much less than the 2% taken by &#8220;alternative investment&#8221; guys.</p>
<p>Again, lifestyle is indeed good but people often get bored of it and move on because it&#8217;s not nearly as competitive as other fields in finance.</p>
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		<title>By: pj</title>
		<link>http://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/2008/03/03/investment-banking-exit-opportunities/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>pj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, thanks!

I am currently in management consulting but have been reading up on the academic papers defending value investing and indexing respectively.

Could you provide some insight into the lifestyle and compensation level of fund manager using a value approach?

My current estimates are 'one-zero'; About one percent of AUM and no additional pay for exceeding a certain hurdle rate. Also, I have been told 40-45% of revenues goes to expenses, so the manager-entrepreneur of the fund ends up with about 0,50% of AUM. I could accept these compensation levels even with as little as 100M AUM if the lifestyle provided is great... 

Feasibility feedback would be great too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, thanks!</p>
<p>I am currently in management consulting but have been reading up on the academic papers defending value investing and indexing respectively.</p>
<p>Could you provide some insight into the lifestyle and compensation level of fund manager using a value approach?</p>
<p>My current estimates are &#8216;one-zero&#8217;; About one percent of AUM and no additional pay for exceeding a certain hurdle rate. Also, I have been told 40-45% of revenues goes to expenses, so the manager-entrepreneur of the fund ends up with about 0,50% of AUM. I could accept these compensation levels even with as little as 100M AUM if the lifestyle provided is great&#8230; </p>
<p>Feasibility feedback would be great too.</p>
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